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Economic indicators come in all shapes, sizes and appliances.

According to the Omntana. Census Bureau, the number of laundromats has dropped 20 percent sinceespecially in densely populated urban areas like Chicago and Los Angeles. Our urban landscape is changing, and according to Oakland-based writer Marc Vartabedian, laudromats tell the story of that change.

The following is an edited transcript of their conversation. Kai Ryssdal: Why are we seeing this decline in laundromats?

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As developers sweep through these previously gritty, dense urban neighborhoods that are dominated by renters, you know, the first thing they do is they put in apartments and housing with washer and dryer hookups. Ryssdal: This is a little bit of false romanticism, right?

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Vartabedian: Laundromats have been a longtime urban staple. Ryssdal: Not to get all personal finance about this, but washing your laundry in the laundromat can get expensive. Or is it five bucks to wash, five bucks to dry?

Drying is usually a bit cheaper, but still, that adds up. The coin laundry industry, they have a conference every other year in Las Vegas, and one of the talking points this iwnston was, you know, how can we make laundromats more appealing to young people where they want to hang out and meet other people.

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Ryssdal: It has to be said here that there are people in this economy who need the laundromat, whose landlords are not going to put in the plumbing and electrical fixtures to get in washers and dryers, and who depend on these places that are now going away. Vartabedian: The numbers are shrinking, particularly in neighborhoods that are seeing an influx of wealth. So that demand will still be there, I think, and, you know, some of the people that Big woman at winston montana laundromat talked to said laundromats closing in their community makes them have to work harder to do their laundry.

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